Jess is joined by the man who has written more words about the Housewives than anyone — Vulture’s Brian Moylan — now publishing a book on how the sausage gets made (to quote Bethenny). We break the sh*t down, including: the “call to end all calls” that happened after RHONY’s Cartagena Boat Ride From Hell, why Andy Cohen is the RuPaul of Housewives, the difference between each production company’s willingness to intervene in scenes, the idea of writing a sequel to Erika Jayne’s memoir, his review of The Big Shot w/ Bethenny, the glory days of Gawker, Bravo blacklisting Brian because of this very book and a lot more!

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