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On my podcast, you’ll hear episodes of my popular short-form Consumer Packaged Goods (CPG) news segment "Consumed", a long-form CPG entrepreneurship interview segment "Formula For:", deeper dive segments "Deep Dish CPG", public speaking engagements, and any of my new and current thoughts that I record specifically for this audio experience!

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Welcome to the Joshua Schall Audio Experience

On my podcast, you’ll hear episodes of my popular short-form Consumer Packaged Goods (CPG) news segment "Consumed", a long-form CPG entrepreneurship interview segment "Formula For:", deeper dive segments "Deep Dish CPG", public speaking engagements, and any of my new and current thoughts that I record specifically for this audio experience!

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    MyProtein Rebrand Faces "No Pain, No Gain" Reality | THG (The Hut Group) 2024 Q1 Update

    MyProtein Rebrand Faces "No Pain, No Gain" Reality | THG (The Hut Group) 2024 Q1 Update

    I already predicted the massive MyProtein rebrand would face a “no pain, no gain” reality, so what is THG CEO Matthew Moulding all fired up about? THG (aka the company formerly known as The Hut Group) recently updated the public markets by releasing its 2024 Q1 trading statement. I’ll be utilizing that financial information, along with notes I took listening to the earnings conference call, and any relevant publicly disclosed information to obviously update you on the recent performance of THG Nutrition division that includes the world's largest online sports nutrition brand MyProtein, but also utilize everything to provide insights surrounding the global supplement markets. For those unaware, THG is self-described as “a vertically integrated, digital-first consumer brands group, retailing its own brands in beauty and nutrition, plus third-party brands, via its complete digital commerce solution, Ingenuity, to an online and global customer base.” During the first quarter of 2024, divisional revenue for THG Nutrition was approximately $188 million, which was down 5.8% YoY. Maybe what’s more concerning is that revenue dropped about 10.5% from last quarter. That’s a bit abnormal, as the “New Year, New You” Q1 seasonality boost of new buyers into the marketplace usually helps supplement companies grow revenues QoQ. So, what’s up with these poor growth rates when the overall global supplement market continues to grow? I'll dive into several things going on here at MyProtein including: its global digital sales channel strategy and retail partnerships in physical retail, integration of supply side acquisitions, the effect the previous pricing strategy had on the sports nutrition brand's customer file, and let’s just say A LOT is riding on the success of the MyProtein global rebrand. Early results of the biggest rebrand in the 20-year history of MyProtein is said to be promising in that brand awareness has grown four percentage points higher since rolling out in its home market of the UK. More importantly though…THG Nutrition leadership needs to pay close attention to key commercial metrics over the next year because to continue moving upstream in positioning (and unlocking sales channel diversification opportunities within the American market) it needs to ensure this rebranding decision is well received by and generates brand affinity with those less price-sensitive customers. Additionally, I've provided a few recent marketplace actions made by MyProtein that could be associated with unlocking future winning chess moves. Finally...I'll provide you with another funny Matthew Moulding LinkedIn moment that directly tossed shade at all the flip-flopping pundits and analysts for being stupid and suggesting THG should “sell or close the Beauty and Ingenuity divisions, and just keep Nutrition because then the company would be valued at least double.” I’m sure this is the type of stuff that the British media, financial, and business worlds hate…but it further supports my belief that it’s inevitable that all (or parts of) THG will be listed in the American stock markets soon enough.


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    Beverage Identity Crisis | Impact of Blurring Categorical Lines & Consumer Format Switching

    Beverage Identity Crisis | Impact of Blurring Categorical Lines & Consumer Format Switching

    In today’s functional CPG market, how would you categorize what is (or isn’t) a beverage? There’s a growing format expansion trend within key functional beverage categories that's causing most consumers to provide a widening variance in definitions. But the mainstreaming version of the “beverage identity crisis” was something I started talking more about publicly during the “Great Shutdown” period because there was this perfect storm of converging factors that provided an extra tailwind for this format expansion trend within key functional CPG categories. Yet, it’s that reversed format expansion playbook direction of “ready-to-mix (RTM) powder to ready-to-drink (RTD) beverage” that I want to unpack some more for you. That’s primarily because it could very well become the dominant build model process amongst functional CPG entrepreneurs…one that we will begin seeing play out repeatedly within other growing functional CPG categories, thus causing more “beverage identity crisis” scenarios in the future. The massive mainstream success of Bang Energy consciously (or subconsciously) inspired many sports nutrition brand entrepreneurs to take the leap from pre-workout powders to energy drinks. See…those tens (or hundreds) of millions in high-margin energy drink adjacent categorical retail sales were now seen as more than numbers in a spreadsheet or bank account, but members of an audience. And it’s those powerful audiences that have become defensible competitive moats and valuable business assets for CPG brands. Admittedly, sports nutrition brands (like C4 Energy, GHOST, and Alani Nu) didn’t invent the “build an audience first strategy,” but they’ve perfectly leveraged it by also operating within the shadows of harder to track sales channels like specialty and ecommerce…where they can incubate powdered pre-workout energy supplement platforms that can then be extended into the beverage format. And the proof is in today’s retail sales data for just how disruptively successful this “build process” has become within the energy drinks market. And what should be even more scary (for at least categorical incumbents), is that below the Top 10 energy drink brands, there’s many more strong powdered pre-workout energy supplement platforms that are in different phases of beverage commercialization strategies. Oh…and surprise-surprise, this “changing of the guard” isn’t just isolated to the energy category. Albeit a few years behind, the same thing is starting to play out within the hydration category. Beyond energy and hydration, I'll also cover the last of the “Big 3” mainstream functional beverage categories because protein is a bit different. While sports drinks and energy drinks are several multiples larger in total market size compared to hydration and energy powdered supplements, ready-to-mix protein powders outsell RTD protein beverages when you consider the entire multichannel sales landscape. So, it probably begs the question…why don’t we then see the highest number of “powder to liquid” format swapping sports nutrition brand disruptors in the protein category? I'll explore those differing barriers-to-entry considerations...but explain why 2024 and 2025 could end up being filled with impressive launches by sports nutrition brands “protein powder market leaders” that have strong audiences of loyal customers. Finally, I'll analyze three other functional CPG categories (greens, relaxation, and gut health) that each should see similar blurring of categorical definitions in the next handful of years.


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    [MONDAY MINUTE] Energy Drink and Supplement Brands Dominate 8th Annual Bain & Company Insurgent Brands List

    [MONDAY MINUTE] Energy Drink and Supplement Brands Dominate 8th Annual Bain & Company Insurgent Brands List

    Will insurgent CPG brands capture an even greater share of category growth as innovation by large companies remains limited and consumers seek meaningful value propositions? While accounting for less than 2% of market share in their respective categories, insurgent CPG brands captured nearly 20% of incremental category growth last year. And you might be asking yourself, what is an insurgent CPG brand anyways? Bain & Company defines them as those that generate more than $25 million of annual revenue in tracked sales channels, have growth more than 10 times the categorical average growth rate over the past five years, and have maintained at least 10% growth over the past two years. That analytical rubric recognized 97 brand names…some of which you’ll recognize (like GHOST, Celsius, Bloom, and RYSE) because I’ve recently recorded long-form content with its founders.


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    Protein Bar Market is Growing Again 🤑 | Top Underlying Drivers I'm Watching Right Now

    Protein Bar Market is Growing Again 🤑 | Top Underlying Drivers I'm Watching Right Now

    Is it time for protein bar brands to party like it’s 2019 again? I was recently asked about shifting convenient nutrition marketplace dynamics…including some questions directed towards delivery formats. And it was the bar delivery format that seemed to draw the most curiosity within that conversation. Maybe it’s because of what happened to the protein bar category because of the “Great Lockdown.” Maybe it’s because out of bars, liquids, and powders…it has the lowest current retail sales growth rate, but the highest household penetration. Or maybe it’s because of the sharp contrast from five short years ago when the protein bar M&A market was arguably at its peak. But during 2020 and 2021, many of us industry analysts/strategists looked past the near-term categorical struggles and pointed to the fact that underlying drivers (feeding long-term secular trends) were unchanged, and the inevitable consumer behavior normalization would continue to support bar format growth. Admittedly, some of that bounce back was slower than consensus expectations, but in this content I wanted to review several “signals” that I’ve been watching over the last 15 months which could be telling us that the protein bar market is ready to party again. These flashing signals include...several converging macro-economic data points, product-based differentiation, second-order effects from the rise in GLP-1 weight loss solutions, and then the final two are more focused on the attractiveness of the space (and format) to “build within” and then dealmaking and liquidity event probabilities and possibilities.


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    [MONDAY MINUTE] Debate Over Open Source Food Technology is Complicated | Future of Precision Fermentation

    [MONDAY MINUTE] Debate Over Open Source Food Technology is Complicated | Future of Precision Fermentation

    Sharing is caring, right? I believe that commercial-scale precision fermentation facilities will be like data centers, which eventually became ubiquitous. And, like data centers, these commercial-scale precision fermentation facilities could one day be relied upon to make a vast array of vital products. But that future might hinge on how open or closed this food technology eventually becomes. Most precision fermentation startups are heavily funded by tech billionaires and venture capitalists. Why? Boilerplate “fight climate change” answers might be used publicly, but it’s about betting on the potentially enormous upside that comes with market domination of whole commodity groups and categories. But it’s those massive private investments that subsidize early deals that help overcome consumer adoption challenges around price. So, the debate over open-source food tech research is “complicated” and I’m sure global regulatory agencies will make it worse soon.


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    PRIME Hydration & What Popular Kids Toy Trends Tell Us About Its Future

    PRIME Hydration & What Popular Kids Toy Trends Tell Us About Its Future

    If you were comparing the beverage brand PRIME to a childhood toy franchise, which one do you think would be the best fit (and why)? Prime Hydration grew 510% YoY, reaching just shy of $660 million in U.S. tracked channels. If you combined with non-tracked channels (and international markets), that number would likely be north of $800 million in 2023. Furthermore, it was announced before the end of 2023 that the brand sold its one-billionth bottle in less than two years. PRIME is (or maybe the appropriate verb tense now would be “was”) a rocket ship brand. But as PRIME blasts towards officially reaching billion-dollar brand status, in terms of U.S. tracked channel retail sales in 2024…it inevitably faces the immoveable object in business finance called the “law of large numbers.” So, when you see these PRIME haters regurgitating NielsenIQ retail sales data that shows sales volume being down over the last four weeks in early March 2024…that is what’s going on, as the brand is now facing tougher comparatives. And I think I saw similar PRIME hydration retail sales data trends in the UK, so regardless of what side of the pond you’re on…it’s likely a similar storyline being propagated across mainstream (and social) media. But this content isn’t about simply providing you retail sales data trends…those numbers were just a required contextual base of knowledge that allows me to explore possible underlying drivers more easily without having everyone confused. Also, to spice things up…I’ll bring most of these underlying driver possibilities to life through a storytelling analogy with children’s toys. That being said, the celebrity/creator packaged goods trend is one that sees the most popular talent of today…becoming the biggest CPG brands of tomorrow. It’s because when you hit on the “right celebrity + right product” element, you can pull forward brand awareness to a level that takes competitors years or many millions of dollars. The major benefit of the creator packaged goods trend is that Logan Paul and KSI are masters of at winning consumer attention through today’s kingmakers…aka digital platform algorithms. Moreover, PRIME benefited from the “Liquid IV Effect” democratizing the hydration category…and because a large share of the most diehard audience of Logan Paul and KSI are under 18 years old, they’ve proven to be extremely powerful individuals in creating commercial value by injecting a level of youthful energy that made the beverage category fun, thus introducing it to a new younger demographic that wasn’t originally passionate about the sports drink market. Which brings us back to the connecting PRIME and kids toys with consumer behavior principles. And why I made the analogy with kid’s toys is that there’s well-marked patterns that created massive successes in the past. Think about key features that drive toy franchise fads…limited supply (or perceived supply constraints) that create rarity, elements of collectability, low price, and usually “made cool” because of an influential group. Do those sound like they relate to the PRIME growth story as well?


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Insights, information, and news that is beyond the headlines. Joshua gives the nuanced version of trends, financial reporting and marketing within the health, nutrition and high growth CPG markets.

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5 star informative

Joshua gives such great insight into what’s happening within the supplement space & many other industries, also I appreciate how he breaks down information so everyone can understand the subject matter is he is speaking about

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