As pastors and ministry leaders, when we find ourselves experiencing emotional challenges, or seasons of wilderness, or even times of dark depression, how do we find rest in God and hear His voice? In this week's conversation on FrontStage BackStage, host Jason Daye is joined by John Starke, lead pastor of Apostles Church Uptown in New York City, where he lives with his wife, Jenna, and their four children. John's latest book is entitled, The Secret Place of Thunder. Together, John and Jason look at some of the temptations we have in ministry to find our value in the way that we perform before others. John also shares from his own experiences, how God moves, heals, and speaks in those dark and challenging times in our lives.

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Some key takeaways from this conversation:

John Starke on the importance of planning, preparedness, and foresight in any endeavor: "If you go into the wilderness with no resources, you're going to start reaching for dangerous things."

John Starke on offering support, empathy, and understanding while recognizing that some problems may require divine intervention: "It's not our job to relieve people of everything that they're going through. That's only Jesus's work."

John Starke on the importance of understanding and working through these emotional obstacles in order to have a deeper connection with the gospel's message: "Fear, guilt, and shame, are ordinary things that keep us resisting the truth of the gospel."
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