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The Rules of Investing is one of Australia’s top investing podcasts. We interview the leading investment minds from Australia and overseas to better understand their processes, philosophy, and current take on markets. After launching in October 2017, there have been over 100 episodes published - you can access all content on Livewire Markets, Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

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The Rules of Investing is one of Australia’s top investing podcasts. We interview the leading investment minds from Australia and overseas to better understand their processes, philosophy, and current take on markets. After launching in October 2017, there have been over 100 episodes published - you can access all content on Livewire Markets, Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

    Christopher Joye: No margin for error for risk junkies craving rate cuts

    Christopher Joye: No margin for error for risk junkies craving rate cuts

    The past six months have been golden for investors, with everything from equities to gold and even Bitcoin enjoying stellar runs. And if risk assets are not your bag, then there have been juicy yields on offer across a range of cash and fixed-income asset classes. 
    Animal spirits woke from their slumber in late October 2023 when the Fed effectively claimed victory in the fight against inflation. Markets have been led to believe that rate cuts are a forgone conclusion in the year ahead, and participants have been piling into risk assets accordingly. 
    Christopher Joye, portfolio manager and chief investment officer at Coolabah Capital Investments, says that markets have become so complacent that they appear to be completely ignoring a growing set of data suggesting that the path forward might not be smooth.
    Most notably, the resurgent inflation data coming out of the US is causing interest rate cut expectations to be dialled back and kicked down the road. When asked what he thought investors were getting wrong about markets today, Joye was quick to call the dichotomy between what the economy is suggesting needs to happen with interest rates and market expectations.
    “If this strong data keeps coming through then hold onto your hats because the world is not priced for this risk. Make no mistake, there is no margin for error in listed equities. There is no margin for error in venture capital, private equity, zero in crypto, in commercial real estate, nothing,” Joye argued.
    Tune in to the latest episode of the Rules of Investing, where Livewire’s James Marlay ask Joye about his views on the outlook for both the US and Australian economies, the three risks he is watching and where he sees value in Australian residential real estate.

    • 1 hr 2 min
    Why Ben Clark is taking profits on growth stocks (and where he's putting that money to work)

    Why Ben Clark is taking profits on growth stocks (and where he's putting that money to work)

    Quality growth stocks, those with fortress balance sheets, impressive moats, structural tailwinds and top-notch management teams, have had a stellar run recently. Take Goodman Group (ASX: GMG) for example, which has risen 66% over the past year. Or Megaport (ASX: MP1), up over 252% in 12 months alone. 
    If you're like this anonymous writer, you've probably started to ponder whether it's time to trim some of your winning positions and take some profits. 
    And according to TMS Capital's Ben Clark, we may have just reached that point. 

    "A lot of investors are trying to chase a very small number of stocks in Australia because of the AI trade," he says. 
    "And I'd just be a bit wary about that because although those companies absolutely should benefit, it's just how quickly those benefits flow through and whether the market has just got a bit ahead of itself in terms of the benefits that will come through in the medium term." 
    In this episode of The Rules of Investing, Clark sits down with Livewire's Ally Selby for a conversation on all things artificial intelligence, growth investing and holy grail stocks. 
    He shares where he is putting some of the firm's dry powder to work, a few reasons why investors should feel optimistic about the outlook for markets, and whether he would be buying the AI behemoths both globally and locally today despite their stellar runs over the last six months. 
    Plus, Clark shares why the tables may be turning once again for out-of-love growth darling CSL (ASX: CSL). 
    Note: This episode was recorded on Tuesday 9 April 2024. 
    Timecodes: 
    0:00 - Intro 
    1:54 - Ben Clark's outlook for the remainder of 2024 
    4:17 - Record cash holdings in the US and what this means for markets 
    6:51 - Why Aussie investors are also holding a lot of cash 
    7:39 - The most common question Ben Clark is hearing from clients 
    10:01 - The takeaways from Ben's trip to SXSW in the US
    12:13 - Learnings from a private meeting with a Google executive 
    15:11 - The outlook for Microsoft (NASDAQ: MSFT) and Google (NASDAQ: GOOGL)
    16:25 - Can the momentum continue for global AI winners like Nvidia (NASDAQ: NVDA) 
    19:17 - The ASX-listed stocks that directly benefit from AI 
    23:17 - Why some of these stocks' share prices may have gotten ahead of themselves
    24:30 - Holy grail stocks - and why Brickworks (ASX: BKW), WiseTech (ASX: WTC), REA Group (ASX: REA) and CSL (ASX: CSL) make the cut 
    29:32 - Where Ben Clark has started to take profits 
    31:28 - And where he is putting that cash to work 
    36:11 - One thing the market is getting wrong today 
    38:03 - Lessons for growth investors from the 2022 bear market 
    42:59 - A stock to buy and hold for the next five years

    • 47 min
    Trailer: Ben Clark, TMS Capital

    Trailer: Ben Clark, TMS Capital

    If there is one theme that has taken the world by storm in 2024, it's Artificial Intelligence or AI. 
    Until very recently, this week's guest was a bit of a sceptic, but a recent trip to the US has seen him come back a changed man.
    In this episode, we'll be sitting down with investment adviser Ben Clark of TMS Capital. We'll be learning about the wonderful world of growth investments, the key technological innovations that have him excited and his top holy grail stocks. 
    Here's a sneak peek of what you can expect... 

    • 1 min
    The next 10 years in ETF growth could be dominated by this asset class

    The next 10 years in ETF growth could be dominated by this asset class

    If there is any one investment product that has experienced a true boom over the last 10 years, it is exchange-traded funds (ETFs) and exchange-traded products (ETPs) more broadly. 
    The number of listed products has increased by 17.5 times in Australia during the last decade alone. More than 300 products are now listed across the ASX and CBOE exchanges and two million Australians have at least one ETF in their portfolio.
    And, as if you need more proof of the growth of ETPs, 2024 marked the first time that inflows outpaced those going into unlisted managed funds. 
    So if we've seen this growth over the last decade, what could the next 10 years hold?
    In this episode of The Rules of Investing, we put this and other questions to Tamara Haban-Beer Stats, Director and ETF/Index Investments Specialist at BlackRock Australia. BlackRock is the world's largest asset manager and its ETF arm iShares runs 49 ETPs in the Australian market.
    In this episode, Tamara also discusses the key mega forces that BlackRock believes could drive markets over the long run, where they are overweight in portfolios and the asset classes they believe could see the biggest growth within ETPs over the coming years.
    Note: This episode was recorded on Tuesday 19 March 2024.
    Timestamps
    0:00 - Intro
    2:21 - BlackRock's outlook for the next 12 months
    4:06 - What the new investing regime means for ETF investors
    6:17 - The five "mega forces" of investing 
    9:13 - Currency impacts on ETF returns
    10:27 - Will the Australian Dollar rebound in late 2024?
    13:45 - Should investors consider hedged ETFs?
    14:55 - Opportunities in Japan and the US
    16:47 - Why the AI boom won't be early 2000 all over again
    18:02 - The explosion of interest and uptake in ETFs
    21:31 - The asset class that could gain the lion's share of growth in the future
    23:17 - Other interesting innovations in the global ETF market
    25:06 - Which products are seeing the most inflows and outflows in 2024?
    27:31 - The Rules of Investing's regular questions (with an ETF twist)

    • 28 min
    Warryn Robertson’s guide to picking the best infrastructure stocks on the ASX and abroad

    Warryn Robertson’s guide to picking the best infrastructure stocks on the ASX and abroad

    Warryn Robertson, portfolio manager and analyst at Lazard Asset management, understands the nuances of infrastructure assets like few others in the market. His approach is to find monopoly assets with inflation protected revenues, high margins and reasonable leverage then buy them at attractive prices. 
    Of the 400 listed infrastructure stocks globally only 160 have passed the four filters and typically Lazard’s Global Listed Infrastructure Fund will own just 25 to 30 of those companies. Given the attractive nature of infrastructure assets it is unsurprising that sovereign wealth funds and private equity firms are also circling these assets. Robertson estimates that of the 160 stocks that meet his criteria 25 have been taken private and delisted. 
    The situation in Australia is even more challenging, of the 14 infrastructure and utility stocks on the ASX valued at more than $1 billion just four meet Warren’s criteria as being ‘preferred infrastructure’.
    The good news is that Robertson is a firm believer and concentrating your capital into your best ideas. In this episode of the Rules of Investing, Warryn Robertson reviews the recent performance of that asset class through an inflationary environment, explains why US utilities look vulnerable and shares what he believes are the best opportunities in infrastructure. 
    Robertson also reveals what he regards as the top infrastructure stock on the ASX and an infrastructure company with an absolutely stunning earnings outlook.

    • 39 min
    The policy overhaul Shane Oliver would make to secure Australia's fortunes

    The policy overhaul Shane Oliver would make to secure Australia's fortunes

    "Living Legend", "One of a kind", and "Diamond in the Rough are not terms usually bandied about when describing economists! But these are just a few of the hundreds of messages of support and appreciation that flooded a recent social media post recognising the 40-year tenure Dr Shane Oliver to AMP.
    Shane has dedicated his years to educating Australians on all matters of the economy. His style tends to be glass half full, and you'll rarely hear him pushing doomsday forecasts. He also possesses an uncanny ability to make complex matters easy to understand and is usually armed with some cracking charts to drive home his points.
    In this episode of the Rules of Investing, Shane explains why central banks are close to pulling off Mission Impossible and avoiding recession. He believes interest rates have peaked and will drift lower as inflation returns to the RBA's target range. The episode also touches on a range of issues, including population growth, housing affordability and Australia's exposure to the Chinese economy. 
     

    • 46 min

Customer Reviews

4.7 out of 5
308 Ratings

308 Ratings

Roo_Meister ,

Time to take things in

A great podcast. Each episode gives enough time for the guests to talk in depth. A quiet and considered host. Five stars.

Parker.. ,

Vested Interests

Lots of guests talking their own book

rudevics ,

Patrick Poke was better.

I used to really like this podcast. It went straight downhill after Patrick Poke left and it continues to go downhill IMHO. Unsubscribed, no longer interested

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