Finding the Throughline with Kate Hanley Kate Hanley

In this final part of my interview with Joanne McNeill, author of Wrong Way (a novel set in the near future at a company that manages driverless cars) and Lurking (a non-fiction look at the history of the internet from a user’s perspective), we peek at what’s coming around the bend for her and I get her answers to my fast five questions.
We talked about:
The novel The Lodgers by Holly Pester, about the housing crisis, and how it hurts a little bit every time she has to put it down because it’s so good
Joanne’s sci-fi inspirations, including Philip K. Dick, J.G. Ballard, Ursula Le Guin, and Octavia Butler, and what specifically about their work fuels her writing
How avant garde sci fi novels used to sell hundreds of thousands of copies–and how this hunger for challenging work is still present, even if you’re not a fancy city elite
A tiny sneak peek at the new book she’s working on. OK, not really, but she does share how she’s trying to write this one differently and push back on the ideas she’s created about how she writes best
Joanne’s answers to the fast 5 questions–a book she was stunned by, where she gets her coffee beans, the Kate Bush song she finds so meaningful that she only listens to it a couple of times a year so it doesn’t lose its power, her favorite season, and the perfect wrap sandwich she would ask for if someone offered to make or buy absolutely anything she wanted.
Joanne’s website: https://www.joannemcneil.com/
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In this episode I'm talking with Joanne McNeil, author of Wrong Way (a novel set in the near future at a company that manages driverless cars) and Lurking (a non-fiction look at the history of the internet from a user’s perspective), about the inner workings of creativity–the thoughts, ideas, and beliefs that either help you do your work, or get in the way.
Warning, there’s a tiny bit of cursing and a mention of sexual harassment in the workplace–not a specific story, but just the topic in general, so take care while listening.
We talked about:
The thrill of writing an op ed and indulging that desire to be right…
…. compared to writing something more personal (fiction or nonfiction) and being more reflective and offering more of yourself
Reckoning with the fact that since her novel, Wrong Way, happens at work and the main character is female, she’d need to include scenes of sexual harassment in order for it be authentic–and really not wanting to go there (“I kind of wrote them in a flurry”)
Resisting the urge to overcompensate for the fact that she doesn’t have the ‘right’ writer’s resume
Why she still considers herself to be an emerging writer
How having writers who come from outside the traditional writing pipeline is so important for the future of writing…
…and how those writers will naturally take longer to develop (so please don’t tell yourself it’s ‘too late’ or ‘taking too long’!)
A mini rant about the use of AI to create art, and being the cheesy romantic who says “humanity is important”
Joanne’s website: https://www.joannemcneil.com/
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This week I am talking with journalist, essayist, and novelist, Joanne McNeil. Joanne's first novel Wrong Way came out in 2023. It's a sci-fi novel set in the near future that takes a look at the intersection of the gig economy and big tech and is both satirical and touching–it also made a lot of lists of the best books of 2023 and The New Yorker called it “a literary sneak attack on the very idea of 'the future.'” Joanne's first book, Lurking, is a nonfiction look at the history of the internet from a user's perspective. Joanne is also an important tech critic and has been writing professionally for 20 years.
We covered:
How posting on message boards in the early days of the Internet led Joanne, a kid from a working-class Massachusetts town, to pursue writing
Getting strategic about your career, especially when you don’t come from the traditional path of Ivy League undergraduate degree and top tier MFA
The often slow but vital work of building a diverse community
How residencies are like gift cards–and how to create your own residency if need be
Joanne’s list of must-have supplies for a writing residency: bulletin board, push pins, Post-It notes, and a detailed list of what to get at Trader Joe’s
Acknowledging the fact that one hour to yourself can serve as a residency when you need it to

Joanne’s website: https://www.joannemcneil.com/

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In this final part of my interview with Hayley Krischer, journalist and author of the soon-to-be-released “Where Are You, Echo Blue?” we peek at what’s coming around the bend for her and I get her answers to my fast five questions.
We talked about:
The incredible allure of hot tubs
How re-watching “The Actor’s Studio with James Lipton” was a key part of her research process for “Where Are You, Echo Blue?”
What she learned from studying actors about getting in to the psychology of her characters
The Instagram influencer who’s helping Hayley understand her perimenopausal body and learning how to take care of herself (Health with Holland)
Thinking ahead to when her youngest child is out of the house
A preview of both her YA novel that’s coming out in 2025 (think Charles Manson meets Goop meets teenage girls) and the adult novel she’s writing next
The 620-page novel Hayley read in four days because she couldn’t put it down
The exact morning beverage (my second guest who swears by Peet’s Coffee Major Dickinson blend) the fuels Hayley, and the (dark) song that gets her fired up when she needs a kick in the pants
Hayley on Instagram and Threads: @haylerkrischer
Hayley on TikTok: @hayleykrischerauthor
Hayley’s website: hayleykrischer.net
Hayley’s Substack:
Hayley’s upcoming book (pre-order it now so that you have it for as much of the summer as possible, it’s gonna be the best juiciest beach read of the year): Where Are You, Echo Blue?
For full show notes with links to everything we discuss, plus bonus photos!, visit katehanley.substack.com.
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In this episode I'm talking with Hayley Krischer, author of the upcoming “Where Are You, Echo Blue?”, which is poised to be the beach read of the summer, about the squishier side of creativity– including:
The steps Hayley takes–and the tools she uses–to immerse herself in the world of her novels and inside her characters’ psyches
What she does when she’s feeling stuck
How good it feels when you connect with someone who loved your work in the real world
The YA author Hayley fan-girled all over when she realized he was also an audience member at a reading she was attending
How writing and editing can feel “horrible,” “like torture”--and the parts that make Hayley feel like jumping for joy
How her inner critic loves to tell her she should be able to write a novel while also taking five-mile hikes every day
How the months between when you’re done working on a manuscript and the book is published is a tough time, mentally–and how to navigate it
The self-care practices helping Hayley through (the journaling practice, the supplements, the breathing exercise that helps her sleep)
Busting the myth that writers make a lot of money and how hard it is to make a bestseller list
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This week I am talking with journalist and novelist Haley Krischer. Haley's journalism has won awards and appeared in the New York Times, the New York Times Magazine, the Atlantic, and Elle, among other places. She has profiled celebrities like Tatum O'Neill and Celine Dion and Gabrielle Union, and she's reported on trends through a feminist lens. Haley's first two novels were for young adults: “Something Happened to Allie Greenleaf” and “The Falling Girls.” This summer, her first adult novel is coming out: “Where Are You, Echo Blue?” It's about a journalist's obsessive search for a missing Hollywood starlet. And I for one am so looking forward to packing that on my summer vacation.
We covered:
Which former child actor/celebrities Hayley obsessively researched for her upcoming book, “Where Are You, Echo Blue?”
How she found herself working at the Boston Globe in college and found all the journalists “these grimy, sexy, fascinating people”
The brilliant wisdom she tells her kids about power of just keeping going.
The circular editorial career that led her to being an author
The “pure insanity” that keeps her coming back to the page
The writing program Hayley signed up for that took the story she’d been working on for 20 years and could never sell and helped her revise it into a form that sold to a major publisher in four days (her first YA novel, “Something Happened to Ali Greenleaf”
The exact mechanical pencil she used to write her upcoming YA novel that’s coming out in 2025
The author that inspired Hayley to write a novel in longhand
Why you should never trust yourself to remember that great idea and the myriad ways Hayley captures those ideas, wherever they may happen
For full show notes with links to everything we discuss, plus bonus photos!, visit katehanley.substack.com.

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